[Charlug] posscon

Mon Apr 20 11:26:43 EDT 2009

No argument from me. I just don't think it is at the OS level anymore. OS is
becoming a non issue. Just as Microsoft is falling out of the picture, like
IBM before them, I don't see Red Hat as more than a footnote. The model of
"corporate run software company" is less and less viable.

There are fewer & fewer reasons to call 1-800-redhat (or whatever). And
having that phone number is their only real reason to be, in the corporate
venue. If I know as much (or more) about not only Linux, but Red Hat Linux
specifically, why do I need them?

As we move forward, now with a generation of younger people who grew up with
a somewhat mature open source world, the concept of relying on a "vendor" of
software that I can retrieve online just as easily as they can becomes
somewhat absurd...

Stay tuned. Things could change. They often do.

-be

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Jowers <timjowers at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry I could not make the event. I think whoever organized the event
> gets it. http://www.posscon.org/ I'll try to find the presentations
> archives.
>
> Many Linux/Open Source people do not get it. Businesses who use Open
> Source have a competitive edge. Tech businesses who use open source
> win because they "build on the work of others". My point is not "will
> open source win", but "open source has won". E.g. RedHat may be seen
> as boring now because they already have won. The G1 phone runs Linux.
> Linux is the OS of choice going forward. The battle for the
> programming language of choice rages. Maybe it will be Java, Ruby, or
> Mono. Which is open source?
>
> TimJowers
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Leam Hall <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> > Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :)
> >
> > If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else
> really
> > competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my convicti=
on
> > that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree
> that
> > past that point something else will have the option of causing big
> change.
> > My current guess is the growth of application blades  or 1U boxes where
> the
> > OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in to
> the
> > server space is a good possibility.
> >
> > In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has
> great
> > value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or not =
RH
> is
> > the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possible
> but
> > there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to
> > guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for a
> > technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% for
> > something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage.
> >
> > On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes they
> > can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. I've
> done
> > some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the
> > mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about the
> >  mainframes that make them totally interesting.
> >
> > The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many parts =
of
> > the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and unless
> > there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a
>  solution
> > looking for a problem.
> >
> > That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on.  :)
> >
> > Leam
> >
> >
> > Bob Evans wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3)  outnumbered any other
> >> Linux
> >> advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count
> numbers
> >> were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries
> >> implementation of Linux.
> >>
> >> (zSeries =3D IBM mainframe)
> >>
> >> Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several yea=
rs
> >> ago
> >> at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too...
> >>
> >> So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know...
> >>
> >> Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5...
> >>
> >> The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, in
> >> 3-5
> >> years seems highly unlikely.
> >>
> >> But we'll see.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what
> he
> >>> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't
> enough
> >>> to
> >>> get you going.
> >>>
> >>> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on
> the
> >>> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player.
> >>>
> >>> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years a=
nd
> >>> eliminate most of the commercial Unices.
> >>>
> >>> More later, breakfast calls...
> >>>
> >>> Leam
> >>>
> >>> Bob Evans wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was
> IN
> >>>> THE
> >>>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care
> >>>> about
> >>>> any more.....
> >>>>
> >>>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of
> >>>> software,
> >>>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these
> >>>> things...
> >>>>
> >>>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day...
> >>>>
> >>>> -be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Well...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I
> started
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the =
AM
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had
> >>>>> been
> >>>>> hoping for.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping=
 a
> >>>>> newbie
> >>>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track w=
as
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the
> >>>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to
> stuff
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> already knew.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source
> and
> >>>>> how
> >>>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the
> >>>>> enterprise
> >>>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools
> that
> >>>>> don't
> >>>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use =
of
> >>>>> open
> >>>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use
> of
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled
> that
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hopefully the June conference is better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leam
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob Evans wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  So... did anyone go to this thing?
> >>>>>>
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